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Kyousuke Kousaka
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    Goddess of the Full Moon, Tsukuyomi

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    Post by HiveNet Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:38 pm

    Goddess of the Full Moon, Tsukuyomi BT03-006EN-RRR

    So after seeing the new restricted list, this thing stands out to me. Why on earth was this hit?

    My understanding was that this thing was made weaker with the Crossrides appearing, and hitting just Tom would have the deck a lot weaker.

    Anyone have any rough guess as to why this may have been hit? And discuss it in general.
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    Post by Kyousuke Kousaka Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:46 pm

    Check Japan's popular deck lists. Tsuku was one of the top/best builds in the JCG.

    That being said, this just means everyone has to play Koko, which isn't too bad in retrospect, looking at how the Junior Division goes in Japan.
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    Post by Touya Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:37 am

    The reason that this was hit was likely because of Tanaka Shouta's deck, which placed fourth in the national championship on Sunday, and violates traditional deckbuilding ideas by having only four grade 3s. Bushi wants you to use new cards, meaning CoCo, Battle Sister or Goddess. The reason they restricted both Godhawk and Full Moon is to make her unplayable. They don't want to see this variant with Tsuku as the only grade 3 in the deck ever again. Tanaka's build is actually not an entirely new idea, similar decks have been in use during the team tournaments since FR2012, and back then it was thought that if this Tsuku variant were participating in the seniors or juniors it would be able to beat out The End and other top decks.

    Since we've now seen that that's actually true, and fighters are using Tsuku in a way the designers didn't think of, they're pushing to remove her from the game entirely along with the Alfred-Palamedes deck, which is likewise a loophole deck, not a deck like MLB or The End which is functioning exactly as it was supposed to. The trouble with these restrictions is that they hit casual fighters the absolute hardest, people who got into the game because of the anime and wanted to build a Tsukuyomi deck like Misaki's. Competitive fighters tend more towards The End, while the trick with Tsuku is more one of the only ways she can stay current than something that's going to overtake the scene. So while pushing for CoCo, Fromage and Goddess, Bushi's screwing over the little guy in the process. This is definitely the least legitimate of the restrictions.
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    Post by Kyousuke Kousaka Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:54 am

    Touya wrote:The reason that this was hit was likely because of Tanaka Shouta's deck, which placed fourth in the national championship on Sunday, and violates traditional deckbuilding ideas by having only four grade 3s. Bushi wants you to use new cards, meaning CoCo, Battle Sister or Goddess. The reason they restricted both Godhawk and Full Moon is to make her unplayable. They don't want to see this variant with Tsuku as the only grade 3 in the deck ever again. Tanaka's build is actually not an entirely new idea, similar decks have been in use during the team tournaments since FR2012, and back then it was thought that if this Tsuku variant were participating in the seniors or juniors it would be able to beat out The End and other top decks.

    Since we've now seen that that's actually true, and fighters are using Tsuku in a way the designers didn't think of, they're pushing to remove her from the game entirely along with the Alfred-Palamedes deck, which is likewise a loophole deck, not a deck like MLB or The End which is functioning exactly as it was supposed to. The trouble with these restrictions is that they hit casual fighters the absolute hardest, people who got into the game because of the anime and wanted to build a Tsukuyomi deck like Misaki's. Competitive fighters tend more towards The End, while the trick with Tsuku is more one of the only ways she can stay current than something that's going to overtake the scene. So while pushing for CoCo, Fromage and Goddess, Bushi's screwing over the little guy in the process. This is definitely the least legitimate of the restrictions.

    Main consensus on NAC seems to be mainly this, although in the case of Full Moon, the Godhawk ban is the current protest from most of the community. Two copies of Full Moon is fine, but eliminating the use of Godhawk in exchange completely destroys a deck that becomes much more reliant on CEO and other soul-adding means with its main feature at 2.

    Thankfully, with Bushiroad open to suggestions, we may see that change work out.
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    Post by Johnny Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:31 am

    >Made weaker because Cross-Rides

    Can I have the weed you're on?
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    Post by Yuzuru Otonashi Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:37 am

    Johnny wrote:>Made weaker because Cross-Rides

    Can I have the weed you're on?
    Oh Johnny, don't you know? Potential Plus 2s (or more) on their own merits/mechanics are totally fine when bigger cards exist. Totally.
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    Post by Ashiok Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:20 am

    Wait, banned because it makes players only play 4 Grade 3s?

    Well f*** me, then, that means they're gonna ban Perfect Raizer next. .-.
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    Post by Johnny Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:20 pm

    Dammit Black, you know I just want weed!

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