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    Post by Kira Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:54 am

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    Post by Kyousuke Kousaka Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:06 am

    "How are we going to justify Dimir as aggro mill when the only true mill cards seemed to be focused on either BU or just U?"

    "How about something in Black that follows with the trends set by Trepanation Blade?"

    >_> Honestly, I'm looking at Dimir Mill, and Undead Alchemist + this = done.
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    Post by Pack Rat Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:57 am

    God, please stop using the term "aggro mill" guys, I beg you. It's impossible to win by milling at Turn 3-4, unless you open a godhand with 4 Archive Trap, and even then it's debatable because your opponent has to trigger it and you have only 3 more lands/spells in hand. Mill is a control deck, disrupting your opponent while slowly chipping away opponent's deck. And this is much better than Trepanation Blade, as it's repetable few times a turn, doesn't require attacking, etc.
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    Post by Kyousuke Kousaka Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:19 am

    Mikuru Asahina wrote:God, please stop using the term "aggro mill" guys, I beg you. It's impossible to win by milling at Turn 3-4, unless you open a godhand with 4 Archive Trap, and even then it's debatable because your opponent has to trigger it and you have only 3 more lands/spells in hand. Mill is a control deck, disrupting your opponent while slowly chipping away opponent's deck. And this is much better than Trepanation Blade, as it's repetable few times a turn, doesn't require attacking, etc.

    It's not aggro in a typical sense. I guess a better description would be "tempo mill" because you're in a way screwing with your opponent's clock due to the amount of shenanigans you pull.

    I mentioned Trepanation Blade because its mill effect is now on several other cards, so it's kind of a good reference to make.
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    Post by Pack Rat Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:21 am

    Yeah, tempo sounds more viable I guess, but still iffy. Mill was always control for me.
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    Post by Kyousuke Kousaka Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:30 am

    Mikuru Asahina wrote:Yeah, tempo sounds more viable I guess, but still iffy. Mill was always control for me.

    I'm probably going to test the deck when the set's on Cockatrice, I'm a bit lazy to proxy at the moment.
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    Post by Ashiok Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:32 am

    Mikuru Asahina wrote:Yeah, tempo sounds more viable I guess, but still iffy. Mill was always control for me.

    Because mill never had Gatecrash before.
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    Post by HSektor Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:46 am

    Mikuru Asahina wrote:Yeah, tempo sounds more viable I guess, but still iffy. Mill was always control for me.

    But mill WAS always control, until Gatecrash. Aggro mill is aggro not in terms of being fast like "turn 4 you're already dead", but being really aggressive in compassion to...you know...Fog Mill decks.
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    Post by Pack Rat Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:48 am

    I don't mean Fog either ._. Control is control, as in, removal, countermagic, boardwipes.
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    Post by Kyousuke Kousaka Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:53 am

    Mikuru Asahina wrote:I don't mean Fog either ._. Control is control, as in, removal, countermagic, boardwipes.

    Which was mainly the second, but now, it can include the first, since Undead Alchemist and this work off of milling /or/ removal, thereby making UB mill viable.
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    Post by Rodrigo Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:17 pm

    >Isntant Speed
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    omg, yes.

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