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    Post by Jordan, Lich Lord Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:51 pm

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    I think it looks pretty good, especialy since we have all kinds of undying creatures.
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    Post by Ashiok Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:09 pm

    Sign in Blood exists.

    In modern, there's the SiB 1B pseudo-clone and Phyrexian Arena too.
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    Post by Jordan, Lich Lord Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:12 pm

    Wow I forgot about Sign in Blood.....Well having 8 draw 2 cards wouldnt be too bad would it?
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    Post by Ashiok Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:13 pm

    Jordan, Lich Lord wrote:Wow I forgot about Sign in Blood.....Well having 8 draw 2 cards wouldnt be too bad would it?

    What Black deck are you playing where you have enough space to run all that, while having sac fodder for Reap and enough utility left in the deck?
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    Post by Jordan, Lich Lord Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:15 pm

    This is the first black deck im biulding sooooo I have no idea yet.

    Guess I'll stick with Sign in Blood then.
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    Post by Ashiok Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:17 pm

    Jordan, Lich Lord wrote:This is the first black deck im biulding sooooo I have no idea yet.

    Guess I'll stick with Sign in Blood then.

    Every Black deck (MBC, Black Market, and Zombies) uses Sign in Blood as the draw card (Zombies rarely even include it) generally because it's cheaper on you to spend 2 life than to spend a creature. Also hurts less to get countered, and can be used to ping for game.
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    Post by Jordan, Lich Lord Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:19 pm

    Hmm interesting. Cant wait to see what I can build then.





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    Post by Kyousuke Kousaka Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:35 am

    Tamiyo wrote:
    Jordan, Lich Lord wrote:This is the first black deck im biulding sooooo I have no idea yet.

    Guess I'll stick with Sign in Blood then.

    Every Black deck (MBC, Black Market, and Zombies) uses Sign in Blood as the draw card (Zombies rarely even include it) generally because it's cheaper on you to spend 2 life than to spend a creature. Also hurts less to get countered, and can be used to ping for game.

    Even when Gravecrawler exists for Zombies? That's pretty surprising, but I guess it makes sense. At least this is instant speed.
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    Post by Ashiok Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:36 am

    Kyousuke Kousaka wrote:
    Tamiyo wrote:
    Jordan, Lich Lord wrote:This is the first black deck im biulding sooooo I have no idea yet.

    Guess I'll stick with Sign in Blood then.

    Every Black deck (MBC, Black Market, and Zombies) uses Sign in Blood as the draw card (Zombies rarely even include it) generally because it's cheaper on you to spend 2 life than to spend a creature. Also hurts less to get countered, and can be used to ping for game.

    Even when Gravecrawler exists for Zombies? That's pretty surprising, but I guess it makes sense. At least this is instant speed.

    Needing that exact creature to make a card good is a bad thing, especially when it's more value for your mana so SiB
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    Post by Jordan, Lich Lord Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:47 am

    What if you run nothing but Undying creatures? Smile
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    Post by Dae of Judgment Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:33 am

    SiB is still better over all. If you don't have a creature, this would just be a dead card.
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    Post by Volt Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:38 am

    it's not bad when you have creatures (other than undying) who will proc effects off of creatures dying. (Havengul Vampire, ettc ettc) Still not the best idea to captilize on.

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    Post by HSektor Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:49 am

    It's a specific card, but isn't really bad.


    If you can net some pluses from it, why the hell not?
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    Post by Dae of Judgment Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:53 am

    HSektor wrote:It's a specific card, but isn't really bad.


    If you can net some pluses from it, why the hell not?
    Lack of consistency, better variants, just takes up space.
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    Post by HSektor Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:40 am

    Dae Breaker wrote:
    HSektor wrote:It's a specific card, but isn't really bad.


    If you can net some pluses from it, why the hell not?
    Lack of consistency, better variants, just takes up space.


    Well, let's say that I'm not talking about competitive builds. I'd mostly use it in budget/casual decks. In a competitive scenario, this card is obviously bad.
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    Post by Kyousuke Kousaka Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:43 am

    HSektor wrote:
    Dae Breaker wrote:
    HSektor wrote:It's a specific card, but isn't really bad.


    If you can net some pluses from it, why the hell not?
    Lack of consistency, better variants, just takes up space.


    Well, let's say that I'm not talking about competitive builds. I'd mostly use it in budget/casual decks. In a competitive scenario, this card is obviously bad.

    To be honest, I don't see how this isn't a terrible consideration for B/W tokens. Not Standard, of course, but as a more casual approach. Or any type of token deck that splashes Black in general.
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    Post by HSektor Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:14 am

    Don't forget about budget Zombies/Undying
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    Post by Kyousuke Kousaka Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:21 am

    HSektor wrote:Don't forget about budget Zombies/Undying

    Undying's the only deck I could see getting use out of this. And even then, it's after you swing.
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    Post by Ashiok Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:03 am

    I don't see how "Budget" becomes apparent, when SiB is common.
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    Post by Dae of Judgment Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:53 pm

    Even then. Board wipes exist and undying is inconsistent with being undead. SiB is no mater what situation better.

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