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    Post by Ashiok on Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:53 pm

    I think the issue people will have with Eggs stems moreso to the amount of motions one has to go through, understand and track when going off. Heck, I personally love Storm and my hatred for Eggs has significantly decreased, but the deck's still pretty boring and almost confusing a lot of the time. Again, you have to go through the exact same motions over and over and over again and it's not like they can even concede when you're going off since Eggs has a much higher chance of just fizzling mid combo more than just about any other available combo deck in modern. With things like Storm people know they're dead at the first Past in Flames, with Eggs people don't know they're dead until the last Sunrise.


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    Post by Dae of Judgment on Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:21 pm

    Mirai wrote:
    Dae of Judgment wrote:I revamped my old Second Sunrise Eggs deck and took it to a Modern FNM, of course the deck being Modern Legal. I had an amazing time, but my LGS started hating me because of it. Go figure. I also played in one of the shortest EDH games, with only 5 people in the Game. We cut it because the store was closing and it wasn't a weekend, so we couldn't keep the store open long enough.
    "Go figure"

    Yeah, I don't get it either.

    So, my EDH is finally 100% complete (except for Fetches and old Duals, but come on. They're not even necessary). I'll post pictures. Took me over an year to complete it, so I'm very proud.
    Oh, I know why, but come on. Do you expect to hold off from playing an amazing artifact-combo deck for so long?


    Congrats on the completion. Really great news. Have any later goals to complete with your collection or you want to show off your deck to the players who don't have as much dedication as you do?

    Ashiok wrote:I think the issue people will have with Eggs stems moreso to the amount of motions one has to go through, understand and track when going off. Heck, I personally love Storm and my hatred for Eggs has significantly decreased, but the deck's still pretty boring and almost confusing a lot of the time. Again, you have to go through the exact same motions over and over and over again and it's not like they can even concede when you're going off since Eggs has a much higher chance of just fizzling mid combo more than just about any other available combo deck in modern. With things like Storm people know they're dead at the first Past in Flames, with Eggs people don't know they're dead until the last Sunrise.
    One thing I really have noticed when I have started playing Eggs before the ban and after the ban, Pyrite Spellbomb is probably the best Wincon the deck can play but also the worse with time restrictions. I think that even with Second Sunrise being unbanned or prior to, the deck was only slow because of the recursion of that. Blind Obedience, Grapeshot, Emrakul, Blue Sun's Zenith and Disciple of the Vault all proved to be faster than focusing on Pyrite Spellbomb. Makes me kind of wish Pyrite Spellbomb was banned and not Second Sunrise.

    But with Storm, isn't kind of awkward against a lot of matchups? It is either you race to combo or don't even bother with what the opponent is doing in Game 1. I should put together my old storm deck for the hell to try that out. I understand the idea of the deck, but the matchups just seem random and not really consistent. But Storm is a really impressive deck to work with since most people just assume to keep working of of Rituals and keep repeating with Rituals alone.


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    Re: The Lounge ~The dumbest and 1st club on this site~

    Post by Ashiok on Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:33 pm

    Storm can be awkward only because it's a critical mass deck. If it gets disrupted it definitely does struggle a bit, but it also takes more than just a little disruption to stop it.

    Sure, G/B/x drawing like 2/3 Thoughtseize/IoK is going to do you in most of the time, but they need actual threats to go with that. The same goes for tempo decks with their counters. I've had games against U/W control that since they can't find a quick enough clock go to like turn 20 and I eventually win off a Past in Flames they have no counter for. Sure, the deck's horribly uninteractive, but the lines of play you can make are really interesting and generally the combo turn doesn't take too long since you generally reach the point of "ok I have roughly infinite red mana, let me just find my Grapeshot without running out of Blue."


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    Post by Dae of Judgment on Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:12 pm

    The same with most combos. Doesn't Deathrite Shaman and Scavending Ooze hit hard with that disruption, though? Seems kind of limited and only a hit/miss a few times, but the right player with GBx Midrange would normally know what to get rid of it and when. Usually removal or everything could help to get rid of that. Even just tempting them into the right cards to get rid of with back up being prevalent to "force" them to get rid of it while wasting resources. Leyline of Sanctity is also a great sideboard against Thoughtseize/IoK and Jund in general. Usually when I sideboard in whenever I am playing and kind of combo like that.


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    Post by Jordan, Lich Lord on Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:26 pm

    So Dae, about your "Famous Broken 2 Drops Cycle" sig. I know the first 5 but what is that last one who I'm assuming to be colorless?


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    Post by Dae of Judgment on Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:30 pm

    Yup, colorless. Arcbound Ravager to represent that. All "Colors" should be represented.


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    Post by Ashiok on Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:32 pm

    Pffft, should be Phyrexian Revoker.

    And yeah, Dae those can hurt it, but Deathrite is really slow at doing so, and Ooze at least doesn't stop Ascension triggers. GB/x is definitely one of the hardest matchups I've found when they draw any real discard. A lot of the time, though, there is no "real" right choice for their discard spells at the very least. I personally really dislike Leyline since it's really awkward to have to mulligan into. I much prefer Blood Moon, which can be ritualed out turn 2.


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    Post by Luna Ori on Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:13 pm

    I really need to be here more.
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    Post by Rodrigo on Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:14 pm

    Our Lord and Savior has returned

    ALL HAIL LUNAR


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    Post by Luna Ori on Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:18 pm

    ALL HAIL I.

    Seriously, I love you. = 3=
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    Post by Rodrigo on Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:26 pm

    I, no, we love you too <3

    We should talk more on Skype too


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    Post by Dae of Judgment on Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:01 am

    Hey Demon Chick!! Welcome back.


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    Post by Dae of Judgment on Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:06 am

    Ashiok wrote:Pffft, should be Phyrexian Revoker.

    And yeah, Dae those can hurt it, but Deathrite is really slow at doing so, and Ooze at least doesn't stop Ascension triggers. GB/x is definitely one of the hardest matchups I've found when they draw any real discard. A lot of the time, though, there is no "real" right choice for their discard spells at the very least. I personally really dislike Leyline since it's really awkward to have to mulligan into. I much prefer Blood Moon, which can be ritualed out turn 2.
    Well, I have played against Jund and BGx plenty of times, so I kind of learned to deal with their answers more often. Scavenging Ooze has really only a little decent area to target at and is still almost as slow as DRS. They always end up taking the much-needed card, or the card that could be a general focus to slowing me down. Sometimes it is a hard decision though. Leyline has actually been amazing when I have used it. I only need to mulligan once on average and sometime I don't even mulligan, but it comes down practically turn 3 if I can draw into it. Blood Moon works, but people normally go for at least one swamp and forest after they come down and DRS gets around it too.


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    Post by Jordan, Lich Lord on Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:16 am

    Demon Chick. I like that. I shall use that in every conversation even if you change it Smile

    Welcome back again.


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    Post by Luna Ori on Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:00 pm

    Jordan, Lich Lord wrote:Demon Chick. I like that. I shall use that in every conversation even if you change it Smile

    Welcome back again.
    Thankoo to you and Dae.  ^ 3^

    I really need to get more people to come here.
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    Post by Dae of Judgment on Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:24 pm

    Slow down there, Naomi. We lived for this long with just a consistent number of 6+ members. You just got back since the last time you were here, since how long ago? We could use a new incoming of fresh meat, but it really wasn't much of a problem with us or something that was brought up enough.


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    Post by Jordan, Lich Lord on Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:12 pm

    It is nice to have a close nit community like this Smile Great people to talk to.

    EDH planning for the weekend?


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    Post by Rodrigo on Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:25 pm

    I'm up for EDH Saturday Night and Sunday at any time :3

    I really wanna play with my finished deck.


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    Post by Jordan, Lich Lord on Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:28 pm

    And I want to play with my developing deck Smile

    I've come to realize I need some Time Warp, Avenger of Zendikar, and Lightning Greaves.


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    Post by Rodrigo on Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:37 pm

    Are you up for a game right now? I have some time :3

    So we can test your deck.


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    Post by Dae of Judgment on Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:54 pm

    Could work on my EDH, which I just posted. And, what should I take to this upcoming MNM, Modern Night Magic.

    List: U Tron, Affinity, Storm, Eggs, U Merfolk or Naya Humans?


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    Post by Rodrigo on Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:56 pm

    U Tron. The well oiled machine. :3

    Do you wanna play 1vs1, Dae? I'll be hosting


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    Post by Dae of Judgment on Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:57 pm

    Oiled Machine it is!

    With EDH? Why not, I am down for it.


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    Post by Rodrigo on Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:28 pm

    Let's just say Tooth and Nail is kinda broken.


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    Post by Dae of Judgment on Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:31 pm

    Not one bit but you're so lucky I didn't draw into mana tithe! xD. Fun game really. The first turns were really the best!


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