Preordain (Barty's Card to discuss 2)

Because I can see this being reprinted if Scry remains a thing in the rest of Theros block.

Also one thing I want to discuss, something that's been making me think recently: This or Ponder?

Both together, with Jace and Stoneforge.







This is a very good card. If it gets reprinted on Theros, it'll make Esper Control an even better deck.

I don't think they'll reprint something they've banned in Modern in standard sets.

It does looks like a very nice card.

It's incredibly unlikely this will ever be legal in standard again while it's illegal in modern.

That said, it'd be nice to give Blue decks some seriously good filtering with this plus Scry lands.

Oh and for the record, Ponder > Preordain, but just barely. If it were standard I'd actually say the other way around, but the only formats either are legal in have fetchlands.

I wouldn't be surprised if a variant of it came up soon. Standard is strangely lacking any proper blue cantrips at the moment, last one properly being Thought Scour.

I'd be fine with Serum Visions in standard, personally.

I really think it is okay for Preordain to get unbanned in Modern. Frankly, blue could use it and it isn't going to be as strong as Ponder being unbanned. I would have either or in Standard, frankly I have playsets of both anyways.

I don't think that Preordain in standard would be nearly as powerful as in Modern. We don't have a true combo deck or a tempo deck anyway.

It isn't that it would be too good in standard. It's because it would be too confusing.

Ashiok wrote:It isn't that it would be too good in standard. It's because it would be too confusing.

What is confusing about a card being banned in a format and not being banned in other format? Also, a good number of Standard players don't even give a f*** about Modern and those who do wouldn't get confused.

They're supporting Modern heavily right now, they've even made it an FNM format. They want to get as many standard players as possible to join up. Printing a card that's banned in modern in standard is detrimental to that goal.


You cant overestimate the masses. They will get confused for some reason or another.

Jordan, Lich Lord wrote:They're supporting Modern heavily right now, they've even made it an FNM format. They want to get as many standard players as possible to join up. Printing a card that's banned in modern in standard is detrimental to that goal.


You cant overestimate the masses. They will get confused for some reason or another.

Wizards doesn't really every person playing Standard to join and play Modern. They just want to allow people to have the chance to play Modern, but that has nothing to do with reprinting Preordain. Printing a card for Standard that is banned in Modern isn't going to be anything new, they just aren't going to do it in Theros because it is the first Set that keeps Modern in mind through design and development. Reprinting Preordain isn't going to make people not play Modern even if they play Standard, it wouldn't really affect much anyways except for the Standard environment anyways.