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    Emmara Tandris

    Post by Rodrigo on Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:12 am



    Why is she completely and utterly not constructed playable, and worse than the other generals of her color?


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    Re: Emmara Tandris

    Post by Ashiok on Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:39 am

    I feel like she originally had this ability and the same ability as the 2 mana mythic. That would have been really good. This is just awful. This literally appeals to fewer people than One with Nothing.


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    Re: Emmara Tandris

    Post by Pack Rat on Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:38 am

    WHY IS SHE SO BAD AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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    Re: Emmara Tandris

    Post by Capricorn El Cid on Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:13 pm

    On top of that HOW THE HELL A SKINY, WEAK LoOKING, LITTLE ELF IS A 5/7 is beyond me...

    But yeah she sucks


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    Re: Emmara Tandris

    Post by .Rai on Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:26 pm

    How I despise thee, strictly worse Avacyn.


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    Re: Emmara Tandris

    Post by Rodrigo on Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:40 pm

    That new lead designer failed hard in her first work. It's saddening. And development didn't help either.


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    Re: Emmara Tandris

    Post by .Rai on Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:36 pm

    Kirino wrote:That new lead designer failed hard in her first work. It's saddening. And development didn't help either.

    To be honest, Emmara was entirely development's fault. Sometime during Development, Doug Beyer, the writer of The Secretist novels and the person who made Emmara relevant to the plot of RtR, collaborated with the developers to make Emmara.

    There is absolutely no way that Doug Beyer came up with this card, as his design input would have been strictly to do with creative stuff. This is completely boring.

    Considering that Wizards have said that the Mythic was made entirely in Development, I do imagine, as Chris said, that Emmara had a variation on the Mythic's ability. Dev couldn't find a way to make it work, and put it on the Mythic instead.

    GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. SHE'S A 5/7 ELF. HOOOOOWWWW.


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    Re: Emmara Tandris

    Post by Kyousuke Kousaka on Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:50 pm

    Terrible design, but then again, Voice of Resurgence is so good...there's a balance?

    I don't know, I'm attempting to quell the rage I've seen everywhere about this. If she had been given some kind of evasion, like, idk, hexproof, she would have be absolutely insane. Just preventing damage, though...egh.

    5/7 Elf doesn't make a lot of sense to me, either, unless it's the fact that she exudes additional power from the ground around her. But meh. Still think there's some kind of balance to be said.


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    Re: Emmara Tandris

    Post by Capricorn El Cid on Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:58 pm

    It would have made so much sence for her to be a much Weaker body but accompanied with a Token Bodyguard...


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    Re: Emmara Tandris

    Post by Jordan, Lich Lord on Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:04 pm

    *quietly says he still likes her*.....


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    Re: Emmara Tandris

    Post by Rodrigo on Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:21 pm

    The only good thing about her is that she's hot as f***.


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    Re: Emmara Tandris

    Post by .Rai on Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:36 pm

    Chris and I's suspicions were confirmed by MaRo. Sigh.

    So here’s what happened. Originally, some of the maze runners (aka guild champions) were rare and some were mythic rare. They couldn’t all be mythic rare because we only had nine mythic rare slots. Ral Zarek, a planeswalker, had already taken up the tenth slot. (Planeswalkers for complexity and specialness reasons need to be mythic rare.)

    We talked about Ral just being the Izzet representative but decided that for numerous purposes (Commander being one of the biggest) we wanted a blue/red legendary creature and thus an Izzet maze runner.

    It was decided well into development that the maze runners should all be the same rarity which meant they had to be rare as mythic rare wasn’t possible. This resulted in us making some changes to turn the mythic rare maze runners into rare maze runners.

    One of those swaps was Voice of Resurgence with Emmara. As many have guessed, Emmara originally made the */* token (seen in the background of her art). It wasn’t a straight swap and there was lots of massaging of both cards. That is what happened.


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    Re: Emmara Tandris

    Post by Rodrigo on Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:53 pm

    And the reason they couldn't have polished this development better is...?


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    Re: Emmara Tandris

    Post by Kyousuke Kousaka on Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:39 am

    Development constraints. Small sets are only supposed to have ten mythics, and by deciding that Ral wouldn't be the Izzet rep, they had to alter how they set forth balanced rarity.

    Example: I would actually make Chris's version of Emmara at mythic because of everything that it does. Even with the p/t it would be just flexible enough to break that boundry.

    This is really development's fault for how they organized the runner system, but people are just going to have to live with it. Selesnya's still not the most shafted clan atm based on the fact that Resurgence's potency just got flattened out by this. I'd say Dimir still takes the cake on that one.


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    Re: Emmara Tandris

    Post by Rodrigo on Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:40 am

    My problem with her is that she could have some other (useful) ability and still be rare.


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    Re: Emmara Tandris

    Post by Kyousuke Kousaka on Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:44 am

    That is currently the only complaint I have. That ability would justify a bulk rare enchantment, but they stapled it on a body that happens to have, idk, well-written lore?

    There's only one defense I can give this card, and it's that it gives you flexibility (if only slightly) in Ghave Token EDH. Your convoke is "guaranteed" against Mortars wipes.

    >...justifies Emmara with burn wipes

    okay never mind god dammit Wizards


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    Re: Emmara Tandris

    Post by Ashiok on Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:39 am

    So, if they wanted her to be a rare and not a mythic, why make her look like a common?


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    Re: Emmara Tandris

    Post by Kyousuke Kousaka on Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:54 am

    I'd say more like an upper-end uncommon, but you're right.

    The design becomes less and less valid the more I come back to this thread to stare at her.


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    Re: Emmara Tandris

    Post by Ashiok on Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:26 pm

    So WotC decided that they'd stop pushing rares for this one card only?

    She looks like she belongs in Legends, not the same standard that's given us Thragtusk and Resto, and the same block that's given us Loxodon Smiter and Rakdos's Return at the same rarity. Not to mention all the other runners actually fit their guild perfectly with their abilities and it's clear they're from Ravnica. You can't just c*** up like this by accident.


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    Re: Emmara Tandris

    Post by Kira on Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:29 pm



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    Re: Emmara Tandris

    Post by Ashiok on Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:31 pm

    Cursed did already post that.


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    Re: Emmara Tandris

    Post by Kira on Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:38 pm

    Oh, had not even noticed.


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